This video is submitted as a starting point for discussion.

http://www.enouranois.gr/video/monoaggliko.wmv

Yay you can post! I was getting worried I wouldn't be able to fix it.

Thank you.

Click to see if the link to the video works. It doesn't for me, though I made a mistake in my initial posting and that may be the reason. It is typed correctly now but that doesn't rectify it for me.

What are you going to do to get more people to this forum?

Nope link didn't work. :(

If people want to use the forums as forums they are welcome to, my goal however is to get registrations so we can truly start counting people...

The growth of which will be dependent on all of you as much as me.

Right now I am posting all over the place. We are all conected to different groups and people. We need to all send the link on and stress why we are doing this and why they too need to register.

I will be writing more and publishing all over the net and off the net.

You will notice most forums has an *Expert* forum...I will be growing that. ae911truth has been sending me info to post. Additionally Joel Hirschhorn has joined...

I am an in the streets activist so I will be passing things out at actions...you can too. I would encourage anyone who is part of the truth movement to at the very least come here and register.

I am working on a major project, will announce things as they come to be.

I bought the vinyl letters for the back window of my jeep to put the url there too...

its everything we do.

Here's the link again. Does it work now?

http://www.enouranois.gr/video/monoaggliko.wmv

Yes I was able to connect to it and begin the download to the media player.
I will have to wait to watch it until tomorrow when I am hardwired in as the wireless is too weak to watch right now. But yay it works.

For your infomation,

Greetings from Aigina in Greece. In the 911 Truth movement telephone conference last week as well as some remarks about Hillary Clinton I also said a few things about how I think the 911 Truth Movement might at long last begin to make some progress in Europe.

As I explained, I have been with the 911 Truth movement from a very early date, having in early 2002 organized (under the auspices of the Greek branch of the international citizens' movement ATTAC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_p...de_aux_citoyens

the screening of an edited version of Michael Ruppert's November 2001 Portland State University address on 9/11.

That screening triggered political arguments, not with the general public, but with the activist audience of ATTAC who made up the bulk of those watching.

Since then I have become an expert in reconnoitring the lines of division between the mental worlds of "altermondialiste" (anti-globalist) activism and of the 911 Truth movement.

I came to the conclusion long ago that we must undertake responsibility for creating both sides of the discussion on 911 (as well as on many other issues): (i) the side that will articulate what it knows and (ii) the side that will listen to it when it does so.

The best that can be hoped for of the altermondialiste audience is that they could become the side that is going to listen. This is true not only of 911 but of a whole host of other issues, (including "chemtrails"), at present categorized as conspiracy theorizing.

Early last year, here on the island of Aigina in Greece, we embarked on a new assault against these dividing lines, in the form of a rough-and-ready documentary centred on the screening in Aigina of Sofia Smallstorm's documentary "911 Mysteries". Our documentary included a brief message to the people of Aigina sent to us by Sofia Smallstorm. This made it clear that what being attempted was a getting together of the "real opposition" on both sides of the Atlantic.

The documentary also contains extensive references to the life and times of the statesman of the Greek revolution Ioannis Capodistrias, the Thomas Jefferson of Greece, as it were. Capodistrias also had a hand in framing the original constitution of the Swiss federation. When one is talking about constructing the "side that is going to listen" i.e. the polity, one necessarily embarks on this terrain.

The island of Aigina was the first capital of modern Greece and the site of Capodistrias' first efforts in building the modern Greek state. In the chaotic years of civil war it was one of the few places where political support was solid enough, and conditions safe enough, for the work of government to be carried on.

You can see the documentary here: http://www.enouranois.gr/video/monoaggliko.wmv

It turns out that there was a response to this video, in the form of communication from a member of ATTAC in Finland, Mikael Book, with whom we had got involved in dialogue on the subject of the United States Social Forum meeting last July in Atlanta, Georgia. There were three things that impressed us about the US Social Forum, firstly that the 911 Truth Movement was so visible there (there is nothing like this at European social forums), secondly that you had managed to get a resolution onto the agenda and passed, calling for a reopening of the 911 investigation, thirdly that there was a media blackout, not only by the mainstream media but also by the altermondialiste media. Neither of the two newspapers in Greece who regularly report on the doings of the social forums had ANYTHING AT ALL to say, not only on the presence of the 911 Truth Movement at the US Social Forum but ON THE UNITED STATES SOCIAL FORUM IN GENERAL.

This was the starting point for our discussion with Mikael Book. He had been present in Atlanta.

Mikael Book made a response to our Aigina documentary in the form of an interview, contained in two brief videos, taken in Finland by the Greek ecological activist Philip Dragoumis. The focus of the discussion is the European Constitution debate, which is at the centre of the ATTAC problematic: the present attempts by the EU political class to frame the world's only constitution in which neo-liberalism (i.e. the dogmatism of "free markets" and of political alliance with what is called in the US "neoconservatism") is written into the institutional foundations of the state. Book points out that the European Union was given a very good constitution by Altiero Spinelli in 1984, which was even passed by an overwhelming majority of the European Parliament, but rejected by the member states.

Spinelli is a figure of the same potential significance to the European Union as Capodistrias is to the modern Greek state: Spinelli was an anti-fascist fighter, an architect of the polity, but one who like Capodistrias and perhaps unlike your Thomas Jefferson, was not allowed to complete his work.

Spinelli served his political apprenticeship in the Italian Communist Party but broke with Stalinism and after the liberation from Fascism became a conscious and politically sophisticated participant in Western European multiparty democracy as promoted in the postwar period. His 1984 draft Constitution was for a social Europe of the type that succeeded in gaining the support of broad majorities in the decades following World War II. Of course it was the product of a time prior to the collapse of the Eastern bloc, a constitution for a smaller, and more "Western" Europe. Today's European Union contains former Communist states, some of whom like Greece were part of the Ottoman Empire. A Capodistrias-Spinelli initiative has a more evident logic in today's Europe than it did in the Europe of Spinelli.

If the Capodistrias-Spinelli initiative continues to gain ground, spreading from its present base of support among members of ATTAC - and others - in Greece and in Finland, it may help to pull Europe's constitutional debate out of its present impasse and start to generate a political climate more capable of "listening" to the message of America's 911 Truth movement. ATTAC, an organization founded in France in 1998, has so far not succeeded in penetrating the English speaking world. Attempts to establish it in the UK, the United States and Australia have so far proved unsuccessful. It has a tiny bridgehead into "Anglosaxon" territory on the tax haven of Jersey in the English Channel, established with the assistance of activists from St. Malo in France. This recapitulates the World War II experience, when the islands of Jersey and Guernsey were the only parts of the English-speaking world to experience Nazi occupation and subsequent grass-roots non-government-controlled popular resistance to it. Like the ATTAC Jersey of today, the anti-Nazi resistance on Jersey in World War II was established with the help of democratic popular forces from France.

You can access Philip Dragoumis' interview with Mikael Book here

Altiero Spinelli and the European Constitution (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICjSHgnGS8U

Altiero Spinelli and the European Constitution (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CelxrMo93eU

From Mikael Book
Reconstitute Spinelli’s Project
http://lists.fse-esf.org/pipermail/fse-esf...ust/001791.html

And there is another short official European Parliament video on Spinelli to be seen here:
mms://wm.streampower.be/ep/ondemand/spinelli_hommage_20060524.wmv

More information on Spinelli, again from the European Parliament, here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/public/.../default_en.htm

These are the names of those so far supporting the Capodistrias-Spinelli initiative:
W. Hall, A. Krauss, P. Dragoumis, D. Potamianos, E. Pantavos, K. Ioannou, K. Lee, G. Fischer, M.Arvaniti-Sotiropoulou, J. Moiras, G. Maltezos, G. Santantonio, K. Christakopoulou, T. Karkali, E. Petriti (she is the lady who speaks about Capodistrias in the Aigina video)

Which American members of the 911 Truth movement will add their names to this list? Understanding that if we are to help you, you have to help us create the Europe that can "listen to" you, openly, and free from fear, at the OFFICIAL level.

There is more to say about all these matters, but let this suffice for now.

Here is some dialogue on this, from Janice Matthews:

Wayne,

I want to learn what you've sent here and will watch the videos/read the links. But I have to tell you, knowing that new laws, executive orders, and administrative rules are being implemented every day that makes most of what we do "illegal", and having just been declared extremist terrorists in the House of Representatives, it's difficult to try to learn recent history and politics of Europe just now. And without learning that, I don't know enough to assess the initiative well enough to have any idea whether I'd want to support! So I don't want to ignore or disregard what you've sent, but I want to tell you why I can't immediately jump into this. I will do my best to review all this in the next couple of weeks, in the midst of organizing and administering the media summit next weekend, and reply. I hope you understand what I'm saying... the water's nearly boiling, and I think we're all trying to figure out how to jump out before the fire's turned all the way up. Better, how to turn the fire down and put it out :) We've not lived through Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, or Pinochet before, here in the states... no one knows quite what to do, but we all know it's an absolute emergency...
Thanks,
Janice

Hi Janice,

Do you mind if I post your reply at THIS SITE: ????>
http://unitedfor911truth.com/index.php?act...DE=02&f=64&t=65

To get discussion going???

I hope that things really are not as bad for you as you seem anxious they may be (if only potentially).

After so many years of trying with the 911 issue over here I am convinced that the approach I am recommending is the only one with any chances of sucess in Europe. Is any one else from the telephone conference saying anything on the question of getting European support ??

Wayne


Good morning.
Yes, I guess you may post it--I feel a little embarrassed to admit such an utter lack of knowledge re. the EU, but I'm being honest and perhaps that will be useful to others... You might also post this: As for things not being as bad as I fear, I recommend Naomi Wolf's new book, "End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot." Americans, in particular, must read this book. While I don't recall finding there any current info of which I was not aware, pulling it together, one item at a time, with similarities under Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, or in China is incredibly powerful. When we listen/read news one day at a time and learn of one new outrage at a time, we tend to forget the outrages of the past... this pulls them together. Things are much, much worse than people realize, for the most part. Which helps explain why Americans are busy shopping and working a second job to pay their mortgage/rent, rather than resisting. The psychological operations at work are absolutely brilliant. Wolf makes that very clear, too.

I have not talked with any of the group leaders, in particular, since the last call. It was not one of our better calls, and people were very angry/frustrated that it was not better facilitated. We have a short time to get work done and many newer organizers look forward to that call to get an overview sense of the movement's progress. When a couple of people insist on blathering on about their pet project, it creates a lot of frustration. My sense is that people are very focused on working their local areas, to engage more people's participation. We do not have any national "campaigns" now, and no one knows quite what we should be doing. We've lobbied/campaigned both mainstream and alternative media, legislature, judiciary, other social justice movements, to apparently no avail. And Americans are quite Americentric, as we know... We don't really know how to coalition with others, I think? Many of us have been hopeful of international war crimes charges being issued, or another mechanism of the rest of the world finding a way to stop the American Empire. And a number of the better known 9/11 authors are talking with academics and politicians in other countries about that, but I don't think it's gone much of anywhere. The recent 9/11 presentation in Japan's Diet is interesting... we'll see. But around September this year, our world allies came forward--Chavez, Castro, Ahmedinejad/PressTV ... doesn't bode well for a marketing campaign that insists "We're not fringe whackjobs. We're patriotic, mainstream Americans." Uhm, well... then why are our allies America's "enemies"? That's been very hard to answer, frankly, when Americans say "If you're mainstream, patriotic Americans, why are the only people who support you Socialists?" Ugh!

Here's the thing. Most people's time is extremely limited because work and transportation to and from take up about 10-12 hours of each day, at least. Helping our kids with homeworks takes up average two hours every night, and they all want to do sports/lessons... So we're all having to make decisions about what's the most effective thing to do with this limited time (and NO money). People seem to be mostly deciding that working their own local areas, to wake up their neighbors, is the answer. If we issue a national campaign in which they can participate by sending an email or making a phone call, they'll probably participate. But with the information overload we're all enduring, I think asking people to study history and political realities (even of America) is evidently too much. Keep in mind that the history taught in American public schools is pathetic. We learn almost nothing, really. And somehow--not sure what is the technique that causes this--we're taught that history is boring and useless, and something to just 'get through' so we can get out of school--after all, how useful will it be in one's life to have memorized Thomas Jefferson's middle initial or birthdate ... (Of course, there are a minority who actually like history while in school, but teachers tend to make it nearly unbearable.) So it's a huge task, in a way, to teach Americans anything about analysis of things happening currently--we get older and realize it would be quite useful to know history, and then realize we don't really know much and can't put world events into any kind of reasonable historical framework to make sense of what's happening. For instance, the NSA just admitted the entire Gulf of Tonkin incident was garbage. One would assume Americans would say, "Aha! They've lied in the past, they're doing it again." Particularly when the Strait of Hormuz incident last week is now being outed as nonsense. See the connection, America? "Huh?" grr...

Honestly, I'm not anti-Americans, nor am I intending to make excuses for us. In very many ways, the Americans I know are kind and generous people who want the best for everyone (mostly). But when their own lives are going to hell, they're on the verge of becoming homeless because they can't pay their mortgage/rent let alone credit card bills, their kids/teenagers are in trouble, their aging parents are ill and they can't figure out how to get them needed care, those in the stock market are losing everything, there is no healthcare available for 45+million of us, one corporation after another is announcing layoffs of tens of thousands of employees and there simply are NO new jobs... it's somewhat understandable that we're all so buried in our personal problems that we can't even begin to look outside. Not to mention the fact that the "news" tells us the big problems for Americans are abortion, gay marriage, and "dirty illegal immigrants bringing in incurable disease and taking our jobs..." !!! Personally, I think the only way to address any of these things is to look outside ourselves, to build communities, help each other, but most Americans literally do not know the people who live in the houses on their street or apartments on their floor.

Alright, enough already!! ...
Janice

Interview with Sofia Sfyroera

http://www.enouranois.gr/english/european_...dexsfyroera.htm